Former Apple SVP of Retail Ron Johnson joins Overtime to discuss his new book, Shop Different: How Retail Revealed Apple’s Genius. Ron talks about the early days of the Apple Store, what it was like collaborating with Steve Jobs, the launch of the original iPhone, why he left Apple to be CEO of JCPenney, where he thinks Apple retail stands today, and, of course, his take on the iPhone Duo.

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